Western University of Health Sciences

Matt Wedel

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My friend, colleague, and [sometime
coauthor](http://svpow.com/papers-by-sv-powsketeers/taylor-hone-wedel-and-naish-2011-on-sexual-selection-of-sauropod-necks/)
Dave Hone sent the above cartoon, knowing about my [more-than-passing
interest](http://svpow.com/2011/05/23/the-worlds-longest-cells-speculations-on-the-nervous-systems-of-sauropods/)
in sauropod neurology. It was drawn by Ed McLachlan in the early 1980s
for *Punch!* magazine in the UK (you can buy prints starting at £18.99
[here](http://punch.photoshelter.com/image/I000005x.Ed0EtoM)).

I know that this isn't the only image in the "oblivious sauropods
getting eaten" genre. There's a satirical drawing in Bakker's *The
Dinosaur Heresies* showing a sleeping brontosaur getting its tail gnawed
on by some pesky mammals. I'll scan that and post it when I get time
(**Update:** [I
did](http://svpow.com/2013/05/07/oblivious-sauropods-being-eaten-part-2-bakkers-snoozing-brontosaur/)).
I'm sure there must be others in a similar vein--point me to them in the
comments or email me and I'll post as many as I can get my hands on.

I wouldn't post stuff like this if I didn't think it was funny. But if
you want the real scoop on whether sauropods could have responded
quickly to injuries to their distant extremities, here's the deal:

First of all, sauropods really did have individual sensory nerve cells
that ran from their extremities (tip of tail, soles of feet)--and from
the rest of their skin--to their brainstems. In the longest sauropods,
these cells were probably something like 150 feet long, and may have
been the longest cells in the history of life. We haven't found any
fossils of these nerves and almost certainly never will, but we can be
sure that sauropods had them because all vertebrates do, from hagfish on
up. That's just how we're built. (This is all rehash for regular
readers--see [this
post](http://svpow.com/2011/05/23/the-worlds-longest-cells-speculations-on-the-nervous-systems-of-sauropods/)
and the linked paper.)

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So how long does it take to send a nerve impulse 150 feet? The fastest
nerve conduction velocities are in the neighborhood of 120 meters per
second, so a signal from the very tip of the tail in a 150-foot sauropod
would take about half a second to reach the brain.

Is it possible that sauropods had accelerated nerve conduction
velocities, to bring in those distant signals faster? To the brain,
probably not. The only ways to speed up a nerve impulse are to increase
the diameter of the axon itself, which some invertebrates do, and to
increase the thickness of the myelin sheath around the axon, which is
what vertebrates tend to do (some invertebrates have myelin-like tissues
that apparently help accelerate their nerve impulses, too). Fatter axons
mean fatter nerves, and for at least half the trip to the brain, the
axons in question are part of the spinal cord. And we know that sauropod
spinal cords were pretty small, relative to their body size, because the
neural canals of their vertebrae, through which their spinal cords
passed, are themselves small--Hatcher wrote about this more than a
century ago. So there's a tradeoff--sauropods could have had very fast,
very fat axons, but not very many of them, and therefore poor "coverage"
at their extremities, with nerve endings widely spaced, or better
coverage with more axons, but those axons would be skinnier and
therefore slower. We don't know which way they went.

Incidentally, you can experiment with the density of sensory nerve
endings in your own body. Close your eyes or blindfold yourself, and
have a friend poke you in various places with chopsticks.
Seriously--start with the two chopsticks right together, and gradually
spread them out until you can feel two distinct points (or, if you want
to get really tricky, have your friend mix up the close and widely
spread touches so there's no direction for you to anticipate). The least
sensitive part of your body is your back--over your back and shoulders,
you'll probably have a hard time distinguishing points of touch that are
less than an inch apart. On your hands and face, you'll probably be able
to distinguish points only a few millimeters apart; in fact, for
fingertips you'll probably need finer instruments than chopsticks--maybe
toothpicks or pins, but I take no responsibility for any accidental
acupuncture!

Back to sauropods. Could predators have taken advantage of the
comparatively long nerve conduction velocities in sauropods? I seriously
doubt it, for several reasons:

- Simple reflex arcs are governed by interneurons in the spinal cord.
  The tail-tip-to-spinal-cord distance was a lot shorter than the
  tail-tip-to-brain route. Even over the round trip of "sensory impulse
  in, motor impulse out", it would have been at worst equal, and that's
  assuming the nerve impulse had to go all the way to the base of the
  tail.\* Call it half a second, max.
- It gets worse: the peripheral nerves outside the spinal cord are not
  limited by the size of the neural canal, so they can be more heavily
  myelinated, with faster conduction times. For example, each of the
  sciatic nerves running down the backs of your thighs is much larger in
  cross-section than your entire spinal cord. If sauropod peripheral
  nerves were selected for fast conduction, they might have been bigger
  and faster than anything around today.
- Half a second is not much time for a theropod to formulate a plan,
  especially if Step 1 of the plan is "grab 150-foot sauropod by the
  tail".
- This assumes that said theropod was able to sneak right up to the
  sauropod without being detected. You go try that with a big wild
  herbivore and let me know how it works out. (Also, a big animal
  *tolerating* your presence, because you are pathetically small and
  weak, is not the same as it being *unaware* of your presence.)
- All of this assumes the theropod only went for the bony whip-lash at
  the tip of the tail--the fastest-moving extremity, and the
  least-nourishing single bite anywhere on the target. If the theropod
  went for a meatier bite closer to the base of the tail, it would have
  to sneak closer to the sauropod's head (better chance of being
  spotted), and the nerve conduction delay would be shortened.
- A 150-foot sauropod would probably mass somewhere between 50 and 100
  tons, and would be capable of dealing incredible damage to even the
  largest theropods, which maxed out around 15 tons. There's a good
  reason predators go after the young, sick, and weak. Smaller sauropods
  would be less dangerous, but they'd also have faster
  tail-to-central-nervous-system-and-back reaction times.
- A theropod big enough to go after a 150-foot sauropod would also be
  subject to fairly long nerve-conduction delays, which would limit
  whatever trifling advantage it might have gotten from such delays in
  the sauropod.

So, although I have no doubt that in their long history together, giant
theropods did occasionally tackle full-grown giant sauropods--because
[real animals do all kinds of weird things if you watch them long
enough](http://svpow.com/2011/11/28/accurate-vs-familiar-vs-usual-in-paleoart/),
and lions will take on elephants when they get desperate--I am extremely
skeptical that the theropods enjoyed any advantage based on the "slow"
nervous systems of those sauropods.

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\* Some relevant hard-core anatomy for the curious: sauropods have
neural canals in their tail vertebrae, and usually far down their tails,
too. But that doesn't mean much--you have neural canals to the bottom
half of your sacrum, but your spinal cord stops around your first or
second lumbar vertebra. From there on down, you just have nerve roots.
So the shortest reflex arc from your big toe has to go up to your lower
back and return. Why is your spinal cord so short? Basically because
your central nervous system stops growing when you're still a child--it
will add new connections after that, and a few new cells in your
olfactory bulbs and hippocampus, but it won't get appreciably bigger or
longer. After mid-childhood, your body keeps growing but your spinal
cord stays the same length, so you end up with this freaky little-kid
spinal cord tucked up inside your grown-up vertebral column. Weird, huh?

So did sauropod spinal cords stop at mid-back or go all the way into the
tail? We have several conflicting lines of evidence. In extant reptiles,
the spinal cord does extend into the tail in at least some taxa (I
haven't done anything like a complete survey, just read a couple of
papers). Birds are no help because their tails are extremely short, but
their spinal cords do extend into the synsacrum (and expand there,
thanks to the glycogen body, which was probably also present in
sauropods and responsible for the [inaccurate "second brain"
meme](http://svpow.com/2009/12/15/lies-damned-lies-and-clash-of-the-dinosaurs/)).
But then birds grow up very fast, with even the largest reaching full
size in a year or two, so they don't share our problem of the body
outgrowing the nervous system. We know that sauropods grew pretty
quickly, but they also took a while to mature--somewhere between one and
three decades, probably. Did that protracted growth period give their
vertebral columns the time to outgrow their spinal cords? I have no
idea, because the division of the spinal cord into roots happens inside
the dura mater and doesn't leave any skeletal traces that I know of.
Someone should go figure it out--or at least figure out if it *can* be
figured out!


My friend, colleague, and sometime coauthor Dave Hone sent the above cartoon, knowing about my more-than-passing interest in sauropod neurology. It was drawn by Ed McLachlan in the early 1980s for
<em>
 Punch!
</em>
magazine in the UK (you can buy prints starting at £18.99 here).  I know that this isn’t the only image in the “oblivious sauropods getting eaten” genre.

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