University of Bristol

Mike Taylor

I've written four posts about the R2R debate on the proposition "the
venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a
paper":

- [part 1: opening statement in
  support](http://svpow.com/2020/02/27/the-r2r-debate-part-1-opening-statement-in-support/)
- [part 2: opening statement against the
  motion](http://svpow.com/2020/02/28/the-r2r-debate-part-2-opening-statement-against-the-motion/)
- [part 3: my response for the
  motion](http://svpow.com/2020/02/29/the-r2r-debate-part-3-my-response-for-the-motion/)
- [part 4: the
  video!](http://svpow.com/2020/04/07/the-r2r-debate-part-4-the-video/)

A debate of this kind is partly intended to persuade and inform, but is
primarily entertainment --- and so it's necessary to stick to the
position you've been assigned. But I don't mind admitting, once the
votes have been counted, that the statement goes a bit further than I
would go in real life.

It took me a while to figure out exactly what I did think about the
proposition, and the process of the debate was helpful in getting me the
point where I felt able to articulate it clearly. [Here is where I
landed](https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/1232238578236825601)
shortly after the debate:

> The venue of its publication *can* tell us something useful about a
> paper's quality; but the quality of publication venues is not
> correlated with their prestige (or Impact Factor).

I'm fairly happy with this formulation: and in fact, on revisiting [my
speech in support of the original
proposition](http://svpow.com/2020/02/29/the-r2r-debate-part-3-my-response-for-the-motion/),
it's apparent that I was really speaking in support of this modified
version. I make no secret of the fact that I think [some journals are
objectively better than
others](http://svpow.com/2020/04/25/scientific-reports-is-an-objectively-bad-journal/);
but that [those with higher impact factors are often worse, not
better](http://svpow.com/2020/04/25/why-do-people-publish-in-scientific-reports/).

What are the things that make a journal good? Here are a few:

- Coherent narrative order, with methods preceding results.
- All relevant information in one place, not split between a main
  document and a supplement.
- Explicit methods.
- Large, clear illustrations that can be downloaded at full resolution
  as prepared by the authors.
- All data available, including specimen photos, 3D models, etc.
- Open peer review: availability of the full history of submissions,
  reviews, editorial responses, rebuttal letters, etc.
- Well designed experiment capable of replication.
- Honesty (i.e. no fabicated or cherry-picked) data.
- Sample sizes big enough to show real statistical effect.
- Realistic assessment of the significance of the work.

And the more I look at such lists, the more I realise that that these
quality indicators appear *less* often in "prestige" venues such as
*Science*, *Nature* and *Cell* than they do in good, honest, working
journals like *PeerJ*, *Acta Palaeontologica Polonica* or even our old
friend the *Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology*. (Note: I am aware that
the replication and statistical power criteria listed above generally
don't apply directly to vertebrate palaeontology papers.)

So where are we left?

I think --- and I admit that I find this surprising --- the upshot is
this:

> The venue of its publication *can* tell us something useful about a
> paper's quality; but the quality of publication venues is **inversely
> correlated** with their prestige (or Impact Factor).

I honestly didn't see that coming.


I’ve written four posts about the R2R debate on the proposition “the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper”: part 1: opening statement in support part 2: opening statement against the motion part 3: my response for the motion part 4: the video!

The R2R debate, part 5: what I actually think

It's been a while, but to be fair the world has caught fire since [I
first started
posting](http://svpow.com/2020/02/27/the-r2r-debate-part-1-opening-statement-in-support/)
about the [Research to Reader conference](https://r2rconf.com/). Stay
safe, folks. Don't meet people. Stay indoors; or go outdoors where
there's no-one else. You know how it's done by now. This is not a drill.

Anyway --- I am delighted to announce that the R2R conference has now
made available [the video of the
debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3api5gJM1HM) --- as part of [a
playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsfTY0RQBtGoBlL5T0NWS6lGhNEmWJPTk)
that is slowly filling up with videos of all the conference's sessions
and workshops.

So here it is!

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Here's how the timeline breaks down:

- 0:18 --- Mark Carden (pre-introduction)
- 0:46 --- Rick Anderson (introduction and initial vote)
- 5:12 --- Toby Green (proposing the motion)
- 15:50 --- Pippa Smart (opposing the motion)
- 25:01 --- Mike Taylor (responding for the motion)
- 28:31 --- Niall Boyce (responding for the opposition)
- 31:34 --- discussion
  - 32:09 --- Tasha Mellins-Cohen; response from Pippa
  - 33:20 --- Anthony Watkinson; Pippa
  - 35:15 --- Catriona McCallum; Niall
  - 39:19 --- anonymous online question; Mike
  - 39:56 --- anonymous online question; Mike; Niall; Toby; Pippa; Mike
  - 46:27 --- Robert Harrington; Mike; Toby
  - 47:38 --- Kaveh Bazargan; Niall; Mike; Niall; Pippa; Mike; Pippa
  - 52:30 --- Jennifer Smith; Pippa; Mike
- 58:32 --- Rick Anderson (wrap up and final vote)
- 1:00:45 --- Mark Carden (closing remarks)

A notable quality of the discussion that makes up the second half of
this hour is that the two teams become gradually more concilatory as it
progresses.

Anyway, enjoy! And let us know whether you found the argument for or
against the proposition compelling!

 


It’s been a while, but to be fair the world has caught fire since I first started posting about the Research to Reader conference. Stay safe, folks. Don’t meet people. Stay indoors; or go outdoors where there’s no-one else. You know how it’s done by now. This is not a drill.

The R2R debate, part 4: the video!

[The Researcher to Reader (R2R) conference](https://r2rconf.com/) at the
start of this week featured a debate on the proposition "The venue of
its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper".
I've already posted [Toby Green's opening statement for the
proposition](http://svpow.com/2020/02/27/the-r2r-debate-part-1-opening-statement-in-support/)
and Pippa Smart's [opening statement against
it](http://svpow.com/2020/02/28/the-r2r-debate-part-2-opening-statement-against-the-motion/).

Now here is my (shorter) response in favour of the motion, which is
supposed to be a response specifically to Pippa's opening sttement
against. As with Toby's piece, I mistimed mine and ran into my (rather
niggardly) three-minute limit, so I didn't quite get to the end. But
here's the whole thing.

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Here I am giving [a talk on the subject "Should science always be
open"](http://svpow.com/2014/07/21/mike-taylors-esof2014-talk-should-science-always-be-open/)
back at ESOF 2014. (I don't have any photos of me at the R2R debate, so
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Like the Brexit debate, this is one where it's going to be difficult to
shift people's opinions. Most of you will have come here already
entrenched on one side or other of this issue. *Unlike* the Brexit
debate, I hope this is one where evidence will be effective.

And that, really, is the issue. All of our intuition tells us, as our
colleagues have argued, that high-prestige journals carry intrinsically
better papers, or at least more highly cited ones --- but the actual
data tells us that this is not true: that papers in these journals are
no more statistically powerful, and more prone to be inflated or even
fraudulent. In the last few days, news has broken of a "paper mill" that
has successfully seen more than 400 fake papers pass peer-review at
reputable mainstream publishers despite having absolutely no underlying
data. Evidently the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper.

It is nevertheless true that many scientists, especially early career
researchers, spend an inordinate proportion of their time and effort
desperately trying to get their work into *Science* and *Nature*,
slicing and dicing substantial projects into the sparsely illustrated
extended-abstract format that these journals demand, in the belief that
this will help their careers. Worse, it is also true that they are often
correct: publications in these venues *do* help careers. But that is not
because of any inherent quality in the papers published there, which in
many cases are of lower quality than they would have been in a different
journal. Witness the many two-page descriptions of new dinosaurs that
merit hundred-page monographic treatments --- which they would have got
in less flashy but more serious journals like *PLOS ONE*.

If we are scientists, or indeed humanities scholars, then we have to
respect evidence ahead of our preconceptions. And once you start looking
for actual data about the quality of papers in different venues, you
find that there is a lot of it --- and more emerging all the time. Only
two days ago I heard of a new preprint by Carneiro at el. It defines an
"overall reporting score", which it describes as "an objective dimension
of quality that is readily measurable \[as\] completeness of reporting".
When they plotted this score against the impact factor of journals they
found no correlation.

We don't expect this kind of result, so we are in danger of writing it
off --- just as Brexiteers write off stories about economic damage and
companies moving out of Britain as "project fear". The challenge for us
is to do what *Daily Mail* readers perhaps can't: to rise above our
preconceptions, and to view the evidence about our publishing regimen
with the same rigour and objectivity that we view the evidence in our
own specialist fields.

Different journals certainly do have useful roles: as Toby explained in
his opening statement, they can guide us to articles that are relevant
to our subject area, pertain to our geographical area, or relate to the
work of a society of interest. What they can't guide us to is
intrinsically better papers.

In *The Adventure of the Copper Beeches*, Arthur Conan Doyle tells us
that Sherlock Holmes cries out "Data! Data! Data! I can't make bricks
without clay." And yet in our attempts to understand the scholarly
publishing system that we all interact with so extensively, we all too
easily ignore the clay that is readily to hand. We can, and must do
better.

And what does the data say? It tells us clearly, consistently and
unambiguously that the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper.

# References

- Carneiro, Clarissa F. D., Victor G. S. Queiroz, Thiago C. Moulin,
 Carlos A. M. Carvalho, Clarissa B. Haas, Danielle Rayêe, David E.
 Henshall, Evandro A. De-Souza, Felippe Espinelli, Flávia Z. Boos,
 Gerson D. Guercio, Igor R. Costa, Karina L. Hajdu, Martin Modrák,
 Pedro B. Tan, Steven J. Burgess, Sylvia F. S. Guerra, Vanessa T.
 Bortoluzzi, Olavo B. Amaral. Comparing quality of reporting between
 preprints and peer-reviewed articles in the biomedical literature.
 *bioRxiv* 581892. doi:10.1101/581892

The Researcher to Reader (R2R) conference at the start of this week featured a debate on the proposition “The venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper”. I’ve already posted Toby Green’s opening statement for the proposition and Pippa Smart’s opening statement against it.  Now here is my (shorter) response in favour of the motion, which is supposed to be a response specifically to Pippa’s opening sttement

The R2R debate, part 3: my response for the motion

Yesterday [I told you all
about](http://svpow.com/2020/02/27/the-r2r-debate-part-1-opening-statement-in-support/)
the Researcher to Reader (R2R) conference and its debate on the
proposition "The venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about
the quality of a paper". I posted the opening statement *for* the
proposition, which was co-written by Toby Green and me.

Now here is the opening statement *against* the proposition, presented
by Pippa Smart of *Learned Publishing*, having been co-written by her
and Niall Boyce of *The Lancet Psychiatry*.

(I'm sure it goes without saying that **there is much in here that I
disagree with.** But I will let Pippa speak for herself and Niall
without interruption for now, and discuss her argument in a later post.)

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The debate in progress. I couldn't find a photo of Pippa giving her
opening statement, so here instead is her team-mate Niall giving his
closing statement.
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The proposal is that all articles or papers, from any venue, must be
evaluated on their own merit and the venue of publication gives me no
indicator of quality. We disagree with this assertion. To start our
argument we'd like to ask, what is quality? Good quality research
provides evidence that is robust, ethical, stands up to scrutiny and
adheres to accepted principles of professionalism, transparency,
accountability and auditability. These features not only apply to the
underlying research, but also to the presentation. In addition, quality
includes an element of relevance and timeliness which will make an
article useful or not. And finally, quality is about standards and
consistency -- for example requiring authors to assert that they are all
authors according to [the ICMJE
guidelines](http://www.icmje.org/recommendations/browse/roles-and-responsibilities/defining-the-role-of-authors-and-contributors.html).

And once we agree what constitutes quality, the next question is what
quality assurance do the different venues place on their content? There
is a lot of content out there. Currently there are 110,479,348 DOIs
registered, and the [2018 STM
report](https://www.stm-assoc.org/2018_10_04_STM_Report_2018.pdf) states
that article growth is in the region of 5% per annum with over three
million articles published each year. And of course, articles can be
published anywhere. In addition to journal articles, they can appear on
preprint servers, on personal blogs, and social networking sites. Each
different venue places its own quality standards on what they publish.
Authors usually only place their "good stuff" on their personal sites,
reputable journals only include items that have passed their quality
assurance standards including peer review. Preprint archives only
include materials that pass their criteria for inclusion.

Currently there are about 23,000 articles on bioRxiv, of which
approximately a third will not be published (according to Kent
Anderson's research). This may be due to quality problems, or perhaps
the authors never sought publication. So they may or may not be
"quality" to me -- I'd have to read every one to check. Of the two
thirds that are published, they are likely to have been revised after
peer review, changing the original article that exists on bioRxiv
(perhaps extra experiments or reanalysis), so again, I would have to
read and compare every version on bioRxiv and in the final journal to
check its usefulness and quality.

A reputable journal promises me that what it publishes is of some value
to the community that it serves by applying a level of independent
validation. We therefore argue that the venue does provide important
information about the quality of what they publish, and in particular
that the journal model imposes some order on the chaos of available
information. Journal selectivity answers the most basic question: "Is
this worth bothering with?"

What would I have to do if I believed that the venue of publication
tells me nothing useful about their publications? I could use my own
judgement to check the quality of everything that has been published,
but there are two problems with this: (1) I don't have time to read
every article, and (2) surely it is better to have the judgement of
several people (reviewers and editors) rather than simply relying on my
own bias and ability to mis-read an article.

What do journals do to make us trust their quality assurance?

**1. Peer review** -- The use of independent experts may be flawed but
it still provides a safety net that is able to discover problems. High
impact journals find it somewhat easier to obtain reviews from reputable
scientists. A friend of mine who works in biomedical research says that
she expects to spend about two hours per article reviewing --- unless it
is for *Nature* in which case she would spend longe, about 4--5 hours on
each article, and do more checking. Assuming she is not the only
reviewer to take this position, it follows that *Nature* articles come
under a higher level of pre-publication scrutiny than some other
journals.

**2. Editorial judgement** -- Editors select for the vision and mission
of their journal, providing a measure of relevance and quality for their
readers. For example, at *Learned Publishing* we are interested in
articles about peer review research. But we are not interested in
articles which simply describe what peer review is: this is too
simplistic for our audience and would be viewed as a poor quality
article. In another journal it might be useful to their community and be
viewed as a high quality article. At *the Lancet*, in-house editors
check accepted articles --- checking their data and removing inflated
claims of importance --- adding an extra level of quality assurance for
their community.

**3. Corrections** -- Good journals correct the scholarly record with
errata and retractions. And high impact journals have higher rates of
retraction caused by greater visibility and scrutiny, which can be
assumed to result in a "cleaner" list of publications than in journals
which receive less attention --- therefore making their overall content
more trustworthy because it is regularly evaluated and corrected.

And quality becomes a virtuous circle. High impact journals attract more
authors keen to publish in them, which allows for more selectivity ---
choosing only the best, most relevant and most impactful science, rather
than having to accept poorer quality (smaller studies for example) to
fill the issues.

So we believe that journals do provide order out of the information
tsunami, and a stamp of quality assurance for their own communities.
Editorial judgement attempts to find the sweet spot: both topical, and
good quality research which is then moderated so that minor findings are
not made to appear revolutionary. The combination of peer review and
editorial judgement work together to filter content, to select only
articles that are useful to their community, and to moderate excessive
claims. We don't assume that all journals get it right all the time. But
some sort of quality control is surely better than none. The
psychiatrist Winnicott came up with the idea of the "good enough"
mother. We propose that there is a "good enough" editorial process that
means readers can use these editorially-approved articles to make
clinical, professional or research decisions. Of course, not every
journal delivers the same level of quality assurance. Therefore there
are journals I trust more than others to publish good quality -- the
venue of the publication informs me so that I can make a judgement about
the likelihood of usefulness.

In summary, we believe that it is wrong to say that the venue tells us
nothing useful about the quality of research. Unfiltered venues tell us
that there is no guarantee of quality. Filtered venues tell us that
there is some guarantee of reasonable quality. Filtered venues that I
trust (because they have a good reputation in my community) tell me that
the quality of their content is likely to match my expectations for
validity, ethical standards, topicality, integrity, relevance and
usefulness.

Yesterday I told you all about the Researcher to Reader (R2R) conference and its debate on the proposition “The venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper”. I posted the opening statement

 for

the proposition, which was co-written by Toby Green and me. Now here is the opening statement

 against

the proposition, presented by Pippa Smart of

 Learned Publishing

, having been co-written by

The R2R debate, part 2: opening statement against the motion

This Monday and Tuesday, I was at [the R2R (Researcher to Reader)
conference](https://r2rconf.com/) at BMA House in London. It's the first
time I've been to this, and I was there at the invitation of my old
sparring partner [Rick Anderson](https://twitter.com/Looptopper), who
was organizing [this year's
debate](https://r2rconf.com/2020/01/21/r2r-debate-teams-announced/), on
the proposition "The venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper".

I was one half of the team arguing in favour of the proposition, along
with [Toby Green](https://twitter.com/TobyABGreen), currently managing
director at Coherent Digital and prevously head of publishing at the
OECD for twenty years. Our opponents were [Pippa
Smart](https://twitter.com/LearnedPublish), publishing consultant and
editor of *Learned Publishing*; and Niall Boyce, editor of *The Lancet
Psychiatry*.

I'm going to blog three of the four statements that were made. (The
fourth, that of Niall Boyce, is not available, as he spoke from
handwritten notes.) I'll finish this series with a fourth post
summarising how the debate went, and discussing what I now think about
the proposition.

But now, here is the opening statement for the proposition, co-written
by Toby and me, and delivered by him.

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What is the most significant piece of published research in recent
history? One strong candidate is a paper called "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular
hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder
in children" published in 1998. It was written by Andrew Wakefield et
al., and postulated a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. This
article became the launching point for the anti-vax movement, which has
resulted in (among other things) 142,000 deaths from measles in 2019
alone. It has also contributed to the general decline of trust in
expertise and the rise of fake news.

This article is now recognised as "not just poor science, \[but\]
outright fraud" (BMJ). It was eventually retracted --- but it did take
its venue of publication 12 years to do so. Where did it appear? In *The
Lancet*, one of the world's most established and prestigious medical
journals, its prestige quantified by a stellar Impact Factor of 59.1.

How could such a terrible paper be published by such a respected
journal? Because the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper.

Retractions from prestigious venues are not restricted to rogues like
Wakefield. Last month, Nobel Prize winner Frances Arnold said she was
"bummed" to have to retract her 2019 paper on enzymatic synthesis of
beta-lactams because the results were not reproducible. "Careful
examination of the first author's lab notebook then revealed missing
contemporaneous entries and raw data for key experiments." she
explained. I.e. "oops, we prepared the paper sloppily, sooorry!"

Prof. Arnold is the first woman to be elected to all three National
Academies in the USA and has been lauded by institutions as diverse as
the White House, BBC and the Vatican. She even appeared as herself in
the TV series, Big Bang Theory. She received widespread praise for being
so open about having to retract this work --- yet what does it say of
the paper's venue of publication, *Science*? Plainly the quality of this
paper was not in the least assured by its venue of publication. Or to
put it another way, the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper.

If we're going to talk about high- and low-prestige venues, we'll need a
ranking system of some sort. The obvious ranking system is the Impact
Factor --- which, as Clarivate says "can be used to provide a gross
approximation of the prestige of journals". Love it or hate it, the IF
has become ubiquitous, and we will reluctantly use it here as a proxy
for journal prestige.

So, then: what does "quality" really mean for a research paper? And how
does it relate to journal prestige?

One answer would be that a paper's quality is to do with its
methodological soundness: adherence to best practices that make its
findings reliable and reproducible. One important aspect of this is
statistical power: are enough observations made, and are the
correlations significant enough and strong enough for the results to
carry weight? We would hope that all reputable journals would consider
this crucially important. Yet Brembs et al. (2013) found no association
between statistical power and journal impact factor. So it seems the
venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a
paper.

Or perhaps we can define "quality" operationally, something like how
frequently a paper is cited --- more being good, less being less good,
right?. Astonishingly, given that Impact Factor is derived from citation
counts, Lozano et al. (2012) showed that citation count of an individual
paper is correlated only very weakly with the Impact Factor of the
journal it's published in --- and that correlation has been growing yet
weaker since 1990, as the rise of the WWW has made discovery of papers
easier irrespective of their venue. In other words, the venue of its
publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper.

We might at this point ask ourselves whether there is *any* measurable
aspect of individual papers that correlates strongly with the Impact
Factor of the journal they appear in. There is: Fang et al. (2012)
showed that Impact Factor has a highly significant correlation with the
number of retractions for fraud or suspected fraud. Wakefield's paper
has been cited 3336 times --- did the Lancet know what it was doing by
delaying this paper's retraction for so long?^\[1\]^ So maybe the venue
of its publication does tell us something about the quality of a paper!

Imagine if we asked 1000 random scholars to rank journals on an "degree
of excellence" scale. *Science* and *The Lancet* would, I'm sure you'll
agree --- like Liverpool's football team or that one from the "great
state of Kansas" recently celebrated by Trump --- be placed in the
journal Premier League. Yet the evidence shows --- both from anecdote
and hard data --- that papers published in these venues are at least as
vulnerable to error, poor experimental design and even outright fraud as
those in less exalted venues.

But let's look beyond journals --- perhaps we'll find a link between
quality and venue elsewhere.

I'd like to tell you two stories about another venue of publication,
this time, the World Bank.

In 2016, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation pledged \$5BN to fight AIDS
in Africa. Why? Well, it was all down to someone at the World Bank
having the bright idea to take a copy of their latest report on AIDS in
Africa to Seattle and pitch the findings and recommendations directly to
Mr Gates. I often tell this story as an example of impact. I think we
can agree that the quality of this report must have been pretty high.
After all, it unlocked \$5BN for a good cause. But, of course, you're
thinking --- D'oh! It's a World Bank report, it must be high-quality.
Really?

Consider also this story: in 2014, headlines like this lit up around the
world: "Literally a Third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never, Ever
Been Read Online, By Anyone" (*Slate*) and "World Bank learns most PDFs
it produces go unread" (*Sydney Morning Herald*). These headlines were
triggered by a working paper, written by two economists from the World
Bank and published on its website. The punchline? They were wrong, the
paper was very wrong. Like Prof. Arnold's paper they were "missing
contemporaneous entries and raw data", in this case data from the World
Bank's official repository. They'd pulled the data from an old
repository. If they had also used data from the Bank's new repository
they'd have found that every Bank report, however niche, had been
downloaded many times. How do I know? Because I called the one guy who
would know the truth, the Bank's Publisher, Carlos Rossel, and once he'd
calmed down, he told me.

So, we have two reports from the same venue: one plainly exhibiting a
degree of excellence, the other painfully embarrassing (and, by the way,
it still hasn't been retracted).

Now, I bet you're thinking, the latter is a working paper, therefore it
hasn't been peer-reviewed and so it doesn't count. Well, the Aids in
Africa report wasn't "peer reviewed" either --- in the sense we all
understand --- but that didn't stop Gates reaching for his Foundation's
wallet. What about all the preprints being posted on BiorXiv and
elsewhere about the Coronavirus: do they "not count"? This reminds me of
a lovely headline when Cern's paper on the discovery of the Higgs Boson
finally made it into a journal some months after the results had been
revealed at a packed seminar, and weeks after the paper had been posted
on arXiv: "Higgs boson discovery passes peer review, becomes actual
science". Quite apart from the irony expressed by the headline writer,
here's a puzzler for you. Was the quality of this paper assured by
finally being published in a journal (with an impact factor one-tenth of
*Science*'s), or when it was posted in arXiv, or when it was presented
at a seminar? Which venue assured the quality of this work?

Of course, none of them did because the venue of its publication tells
us nothing about the quality of the paper. The quality is inherent in
the paper itself, not in the venue where it is made public.

Wakefield paper's lack of quality was also inherent in the paper itself
and that it was published in *The Lancet* (and is still available on
more than seventy websites) did not mean it was high quality. Or to put
it another way, the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful
about the quality of a paper.

So what are different venues good for? Today's scholarly publishing
system is still essentially the same as the one that Oldenburg et al
started in the 17th Century. This system evolved in an environment when
publishing costs were significant and grew with increased dissemination
(increased demand meant higher print and delivery costs). This meant
that editors had to make choices to keep costs under control --- to
select what to publish and what to reject. The selection criteria
varied: some used geography to segment the market (*The Chinese Journal
of X*, *The European Journal of Y*); some set up societies (*Operational
Research Society Journal*) and others segmented the market by discipline
(*The International Journal of Neurology*). These were genuinely useful
distinctions to make, helping guide authors, readers and librarians to
solutions for their authoring, reading and archiving needs.

Most journals pretend to use quality as a criterion to select within
their niche --- but isn't it funny that there isn't a *Quality Journal
of Chemistry* or a *Higher-Quality Journal of Physics*? The real reasons
for selection and rejection are of course to do with building brands and
meeting business targets in terms of the number of pages published. If
quality was the overarching criteria, why, like the wine harvest, don't
journals fluctuate in output each year? Down when there's a poor-season
and up when the sun shines?

If quality was the principle reason for acceptance and rejection, why is
it absent from the list of most common reasons for rejection? According
to Editage one of the most common reasons is because the paper didn't
fit the aims and scope of the journal. Not because the paper is of poor
quality. The current publishing process isn't a system for weeding out
weak papers from prestige journals, leaving them with only the best.
It's a system for sorting stuff into "houses" which is as opaque,
unaccountable and random as the Sorting Hat which confronted Harry
Potter at Hogwarts. This paper to the *Journal of Hufflepuff*; that one
to the *Journal of Slytherin*!

So the venue of its publication can tell us useful things about a paper:
its geographical origin, its field of study, the society that endorses
it. The one thing it can't tell us is anything useful about the quality
of a paper.

# Note

\[1\] We regret this phrasing. We asked "did the Lancet know what it was
doing" in the usual colloquial sense of implying a lack of competence
("he doesn't know what he's doing"); but as Niall Boyce rightly pointed
out, it can be read as snidely implying that *The Lancet* knew *exactly*
what it was doing, and deliberately delayed the retraction in order to
accumulate more citations. For avoidance of doubt, that is not what we
meant; we apologise for not having written more clearly.

# References

We were of course not able to give references during the debate. But
since our statement included several citations, we can remedy that
deficiency here.

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This Monday and Tuesday, I was at the R2R (Researcher to Reader) conference at BMA House in London.

Postagens de Rogue Scholar

The R2R debate, part 5: what I actually think

The R2R debate, part 4: the video!

The R2R debate, part 3: my response for the motion

The R2R debate, part 2: opening statement against the motion

The R2R debate, part 1: opening statement in support